AQUACLAN'S FATE --- + FROSTCLAN

[Tiger]

I'll type one up right now. (:
We'll probably be going with the adjective/noun combo, since everyone seems to approve. xD I already have a character idea for the clan-tribe-thing, but I just need a name for her.

[Lexie]

Like I think we should let the website pick? We can have a poll for this before we do anything? We can make a huge poll, cats with unique names, or a tribe type naming process.
Sorry, I just thought of that dX

[Tiger]

I second the huge poll. ^^ It'll get people to actually voice their opinions in this.

Come on, people, put your two cents in! If this was something we didn't want you to read, we wouldn't be discussing it out here in the open! =3

[Lexie]

Tiger's right!!! IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU TO POST ON IT WOULD BE IN THE ADMIN CHAT!!!!! Here, I'll start the poll in noticeboard and put as an annoucement.

[á£Îmaý---♫♥]

EEee. I'm so excited! I have a few ideas about how this tribe thing works.
I also have some synomyns for Clan; band, brotherhood, clique, confraternity, coterie, faction, family, fraternity, gens, group, house, phratry, race, sect, sept, set, society, sodality and tribe.
There's some different ones for Tribe; blood, branch, caste, clan, class, division, dynasty, family, gens, group, house, ilk, nation, people, phratry, race, seed, sept and stock.

It's just that I don't want us creating a copy of the Tribe's (or ancient's) lifestyle. Like Tiger and I discussed, perhaps a whole different set up with hunters and fighters/defernders.

[Tiger]

I like the term band the best. It sounds rather feral and not overly sophisticated. =)

I have a few hierarchy ideas, based off of a bit of my governmental knowledge. =P I've noticed that the clans tend to operate in what's almost a dictatorship, especially because the warrior code states that the leader's word is law. Perhaps the new clan/tribe could have a more balanced amount of power, especially because they have fewer enemies.
I was thinking of something like an oligarchy or a republic...^^;

• {Captain, Chief, Lion, Superior, or something else similar to "Leader"} :: Leads the tribe/clan/whatever. Has final say on matters, but typically consults lower command cats unless it's an emergency. Clan equivalent: leader
  
• {Lieutenant, Regent, Second-in-command, or something else similar to "Deputy"} :: Assists the leader with important stuff and is most involved with everyday matters. Alternatively, this position could be like another leader who rules the tribe jointly with the other. Clan equivalent: deputy
  
• {Doctor, Healer, or something along the lines of "medicine cat"} :: Like a medicine cat. This is not a difficult position, as there are few tribe enemies apart from badgers, foxes, etc. and a life of isolation has resulted in few diseases. Perhaps they could have two apprentices and give the job to the one most suited to it.
  
• {no name ideas D:} :: Like a warrior in the clans, but has more responsibilites in terms of running the clan than a typical warrior. This would be a small group and probably should make up less than 1/4 of the clan's total population.
  
• {still no name ideas} :: A typical clan warrior who trains apprentices, hunts, fights, etc. Some would mainly hunt while others would mainly fight, with the former group being larger than the latter.
  
• {Learners, Students, or something similar to "Apprentice"} :: These cats are younger ones who train to be whatever we're gonna call warriors. They train in both hunting and fighting but are additionally trained to specialize in one of the skills once basic training is complete.
  
• {something along the lines of queens and kits} :: Obviously, this group is made up of she-cats who are expecting or nursing kits and kits themselves. We don't need a synonym for kit. x3;;
  
• {Retirees is the only one I can think of...something like "Elders"} :: Cats who are unable to continue their warrior duties due to injury or advanced age.
  
  That was rather long-winded. xD;
  

[á£Îmaý---♫♥]

How about their name for their leader is a "guide" because he helps them through life. He is guiding them but not leading them.
---And perhaps there shouldn't be a deputy. Really, all they are is the cat who is going to be the next leader. By being a deputy, they're actually learning how to be a deputy. Perhaps, in the bands case, it should be a relatively young cat who is being trained to be the next guide/leader?
---And I vote for the title of healer! And there would be some diseases or illnesses like a cough, chill or chest infection. And the only problem I see with them having two apprentices would be what happened to the one which wasn't chosen?
---The senior warriors could be like a council for the guide. They would be the most experienced cats in the band.
---Apprentices should be called 'learners' but I have no idea what to name the warriors.

[heartnet]

The warriors with the more special jobs, the small group, could be called the Elite or something like that. And the elder like group could be called...ManyMoons. I don't know, like they seen many moons or something. Just some suggestions =)

[Tiger]

Oooh, a guide learner! xD
Hmmm. For the two apprentices, the one who isn't chosen can go live in an empty den and spend the rest of their life moping about how they weren't good enough to be a healer. Or we could just eliminate the problem and only have one. ^^;

I like the idea of the council being called the Elite. It sounds rather cool and like they know what they're doing. I mean, who wouldn't trust someone who's considered Elite?

Another random thing on the makeup of the band: I think that they should be the descendants of both of ex-clan cats (cats who used to live in the four clans or other weird outside clans like the fictional MountainClan) and escaped kittypets/loners. They have a lifestyle similar to that of a clan but with obvious outside influence. Also, this would allow for a bit more diversity among the band, because most of the clan cats have a similar build and are similar breeds.

[lord of all yellow mice]

I love the way it's set up. The word Elite seems perfect for the group as well. =3 I must say, it reminds me of you admins.

The warrior group could be called the Guard, maybe? Or maybe even the 'Central Guard' or Main Guard.' I dunno; you'll probably think of something better. ^^;

The two apprentices thing might work if they were trained as warriors and healers, but that could get confusing. ^^;

[Lexie]

I like all these ideas, do you think we can make a seperate board for this, because this board was meant for aQualcna and frostclan. and I'll get confused.

I like the band, I also like the dynasty too, but band is good. The healer is good for a medicine cat, and the Guide and learners are perfect. The mentors can be like tutors or something, they can maybe also call them teachers too, but that seems too schoolish for me. yuck!
Alos the warriors could be called protectors or something, idk. ManyMoons is clever cat =]

But the thing is where should they live? No cats land perhaps, and I think we should get some cats that are going to be joining this tribe thing. And also, what should their Starclan type thing be named? We need a lot of those cats too. If everyone on the website makes a cat for Starclan and those Starclan type cats, we should be good on starclan for awhile. We also have to name the kits and queens, we can call the queens mothers or something simple. The kits can be kits I guess, or they can be like little-ones? Idk.....

[lord of all yellow mice]

You could always have them be atheistic (don't know how to spell it), or have their version of StarClan be somewhat more distant.

If they're going to be descended from MountainClan, they might live in the mountains? ^^; But maybe that's to similar to the tribe from the original series; I dunno.

[Lexie]

Or they can live in a place where no cats have gone before, maybe they go to the clans for help? or maybe the 'tribe' helps them and the clans pay back in repay? I don't think they should live in the mountains, Maybe in like something more, more, creative. The mountains would be almost like copying off the books.

[Tiger]

Perhaps we could just keep it simple and have them live somewhere beyond the No-Cat's-Land. If they lived there, it would be the band's land and that would defeat the purpose of neutral ground. ^^;

On a side note, it looks like all of our active members have voted in the poll and that we will be using the adjective-noun name combo. We should really get these details worked out so we can start creating the cats =3

[á£Îmaý---♫♥]

I don't think they should be called the Elite because that's a term used for the best of the best and that would possibly imply they're even greater than the guide. I think if we're sticking with more...er, spiritual terms then they should be called 'advisors'.

There shouldn't be a name for their version on StarClan because they don't even have a name for themselves. They refer to themselves as the band (or family? I like the idea of them refering to each other as family. Makes them seem more tight-knit.) so they should refer to their deceased as their ancestors or even just the departed. They could believe they are watching over them but they don't call them by a group name. Does that make sense? :/

Also, I'm not sure how many of you have ever seen a mountain but there's really no difference between a mountain and a hill. A mountain is just bigger and typically pointy. There's no universally accepted standard for a mountain so I couldn't honestly give you a definition for height. But the band/family/tribe/colony whatever live beyond FrostClan territory. FrostClan lives near the sumbit of a hill but the thing with hills is they tend to be fused with other hills which extend out. The band/family/tribe/colony whatever live there.

The cats themselves would of lived their whole lives in the band etc so we don't need to think about creating cats to 'join' it as such. And it should just be a small amount of cats perhaps 18 in total? And we needn't bother about their dearly departed. I would like to roleplay a queen and her kits. The titles queen and kits can be the same because they are proper terms.

The titles for mentors can be the same. But we need a general name for them like how the Clan's have warriors. Maybe followers? I can't remember what the Tribe called theirs. I couldn't call them the Guard though because I already roleplay a group of characters who call themselves the Guard and I could never take it seriousily for the cats x'D

[Tiger]

The tribe has prey-hunters and cave-guards, which probably won't work very well for obvious reasons. x3 I like the idea for the area having hilly geography; perhaps the area could be a bit on the cold side as well.
I was thinking a small group too. They won't be too much of a size difference between them and FrostClan, really.

[Lexie]

We can also, once Frostclan is chased out of their territory, they can travel awhile but then find this tribe?
We are using the loners and some rouges to join this and form it or are we going to start from scratch and people have to apply for cats in the tribe.

[Tiger]

Yes; I was thinking that the traveling--or rather, clueless wandering--would be the most grueling part for the FrostClan cats, especially because most of them will probably be sporting injuries from the recent fight. It's cold, there's hardly any prey, and they don't have a lot of hope. You wouldn't be able to expect them to survive without outside intervention...and that's where the family/band of cats comes in.

Applications. Somehow, I don't think the current loners and rogues are the types of cats who would inspire FrostClan to take back their home yet be unwilling to fight. The majority of the rogues and loners aren't very fond of the clans and those who are would probably prefer to avoid a group much larger than their family.

[Lexie]

Tiger; You have a point in a lot of things. Blackleaf will go back to Frostclan once he hears a rumor around Beachclan that they are going to attack. Flaxeyes' kits will probably stay just as long as Redwind stays in the Beachclan nursery. Blackleaf will suffer from the fact of treating all these cats. Skylight will go mad, most likely, from starvation and chaos.
We should let people start making appilications a.s.a.p.. And I have an idea of who I want to to the 'leader'

[Tiger]

Whitestar will get pretty stressed too. I assume he'll be making good friends with the other cats because he's extremely friendly.
Skylight can't go mad! She's the only thing keeping Whitestar sane D:
And of course, poor old Bluepool is going to mope around all day being arthritic and cold and sick of walking. I'm not going to kill her off just yet, though. x3

[Lexie]

Yeah, Maybe she'll just get mad over the stupidest things, or have random mood swings, yeah, I think you should keep Bluepool, we don't have a lot of elders as it is. I think we should PM some people and say they have too many warriors, make an elder or something =]
Maybe that can make the apprentice's miserable. xD

[lord of all yellow mice]

Once FrostClan comes back, then, will we just continue to roleplay the cats of the band amongst themselves? (They will come back, right?)

[Tiger]

Yes and yes. :3
The band cats will probably not have any more interaction with the clans, due to the fact that their territories are so far apart. They'll have plenty of miniplots among themselves, though, and meeting FrostClan is really going to shake their lives up.

[lord of all yellow mice]

Oh, I see.
Gawsh, I wanna help out with this so badly, but I can't seem to come up with any good ideas. xD

[á£Îmaý---♫♥]

Some of this stuff we've been over at least three times -.-

FrostClan are chased out of their territory and wander aimlessly across the hills where the discover the family (we need a name, I'll create a poll) and take refuge there. The family consists of feral cats who were born in the home. In the way way past the the family began as rogues/kittypets/loners whatever that banded together. They are feral cats now and NONE of them are rogues/loners/kittypets whatever. They are...uh...members.
The hills will be relatively cold because of the altitude. It won't be snow all year round but it will be snow in late autumn and winter. They would have little bit more prey then the other territories but it's still hard to find.

And Lexie, I keep asking you, what do you plan to do with Blackleaf? Is he staying in BeachClan or going back to FrostClan? I need to know because of Rainlight. Plus, if Icestar was going to attack FrostClan why would she let a FrostClan warrior go and warn them, if that's the case? Icestar is the leader of BeachClan first, and his mother second. Flaxeyes would be a prisoner, the only thing keeping her in BeachClan being her kits.

Agreed Titles

• Guide leader
  
• Healer medicine cat
  
• Advisors senior warriors
  
• Followers, Members etc ? warriors
  
• Learners apprentices
  
• Queens queens
  
• Elders? Did the Tribe have another name for theirs?
  
  

Note: Mentors are still mentors. The Healer and the Guide both take a learner that they will train to replace them.

Ideas needed for names of the warriors and/or Elders.

[Tiger]

The Tribe didn't have any elders, from what WarriorsWiki told me about their hierarchy. ^^; The old cats were left to die (how cruel), continued with their position until they did die, or we were simply never told about them in the series. Whatever the case, we still don't have a name for them.
Their name for queens was kit-mothers, but I really prefer queens. (:

[á£Îmaý---♫♥]

-shrugs-
We'll just stick with queens and Elders then. But with a small Clan, there probably wouldn't be very many Elders at all.

[lord of all yellow mice]

Hm... I like both band and guild for names. =3 Community might be another idea, but I like the others better. I think I'm just desperate to suggest as much as I can think of to make up for my being inactive and missing everything. ^^; Sorry!
Can't really think of anything else for the warriors, though I personally prefer members to followers. I dunno; I suppose the word follow reminds me of a group following a single leader, whereas here it's more of a republican/democratic society. They could also be named according to where they lived, e.g. hill-walkers if they lived in the hills (bad example, sorry), but members seems to fit more nicely with the other terms. Protectors, as Lexie suggested, also sounds both simple and somewhat spiritual.

If the decisions of the group are going to be influenced by multiple cats rather than a single leader, would they have some sort of voting system? That seems a bit too... human, though. xD

[á£Îmaý---♫♥]

Protectors would mean they had something to protect each other from... Maybe certain cats could be called protectors if they're skilled in fighting. But that would make things complicated. Members sound much better, to me. Makes them sound like they're a part of something. I think the guide would make the overall decision, like a leader does, but he will take everybodies comments to heart. Because all the titles are very literal; the guide guides them in their life, the advisors advise their guide on his decisions and act as a council for the younger cats and the learners learn. Perhaps we should have a literal title for the queens then like bringers or something. It has to be spiritual...Maybe just plain old mothers. There's a lot of power in that single word.

[Lexie]

Oh, I have an idea. The protectors can be like their Starclan. Maybe they could just think that some type of weather is protection, like clouds or something? Idk, just throwing out ideas. Oh, and Blackleaf is leaving right after Flaxeyes is feeling a lot better after giving birth, so Quietshadow doesn't have a hard time giving her herbs.
blackleaf will leave, meet Frostclan, then bang, battle begins.